Between women and mothers, the issue of women has been questioning psychanalysis since its beginnings. ‘Women beaten’ reveal to clinicians the price that the subject sometimes pays for the logic he deduced from the structure, which is a demanding symbolic point of support, over me fierce or gentle certainty. But the example of women following their companions to the worst, to the point of being identified as criminal, raises questions about the relationship of these women to enjoyment and their subjective positions. For a woman, finding herself in an object position for a man’s fantasy is also at risk of being placed in mortitious positions, especially if a fantasy is in place for that partner to deal with more devastating, perverse or debilitating constructions, for example. The “become a woman” who asked so much Freud could find some light here. On the basis of an example and its very excesses, we will look at what can be watched by a woman caught in the real enjoyment of her, who subvertises as a passion all love.